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Turok General => Turok General Discussion => Topic started by: Komenja on September 03, 2015, 02:39:59 AM
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Something I've never seen discussed very much when it comes to the Turok games are the main antagonists. While the Turok games have never been too heavy on story, I feel most of the bad guys are pretty memorable for various reasons. I'd love to hear what you guys think of the baddies, who your favorite is, etc. Hell, feel free to discuss the villians from the comics or even the animated movie if you want to!
BTW, spoilers.
Here's my thoughts:
Campaigner - While most people think ol' Campy is a bit of a let down after fighting a cyborg T-Rex, I think it was very fitting for the climatic showdown to have Turok face off with one of the coolest villians from the Valiant comics. From a design standpoint, he's pretty much a Terminator version of Shao Kahn from Mortal Kombat, and the way his fake skin breaks apart the more you damage him is an amazing effect for a game in 1997.
Not to mention the guy has an awesome plan to take over Lost Land:
Step 1: Get dinosaurs
Step 2: Graft laser guns, robotic limbs and armor plating onto them
Step 3: MURDER EVERYTHING
And it would've worked too, if it wasn't for that meddling Tal'set and his Chronoscepter!
Primagen - Holy balls, Primagen. He looks scary, he's a master manipulator, he takes metric tons of firepower to kill, and he's essentially the creator of the Lost Land. Out of all the Turok villians, I think Primagen is probably one of the best written. The reason why? On top of simply being badass, Primagen is actually kind of sympathetic.
By sheer accident he creates Lost Land, and his Lightship is trapped within it. Unfortunately, the Lightship is so powerful that any attempt to leave would utterly destroy Lost Land (and our universe). To prevent this from happening, the Energy Totems were erected. After Tal'set accidentally wakes up Primagen by tossing the Chronoscepter in a volcano, the big purple dude immediately notices what a dump Lost Land is, and decides he wants to go home.
That's it, he just wants to leave. Sure, he's completely indifferent to the fact that hauling ass in the Lightship will kill billions of people (and this certainly qualifies him as a Grade A douchebag), not to mention simply getting the damn ship started will require some major suffering on behalf of the inhabitants (getting the Dinosoids to invade Adia, poisoning the River of Souls with excess waste from the Lightship), but his motivation isn't really born of malice or evil. His method of reaching that goal, however, makes kicking his ass easily justifiable. Needs of the many out-weigh the needs of the few, as they say.
Oblivion - Despite having incredible build-up during the Flesh Eater segments and end credits in Turok 2, I found Oblivion to be the most forgettable Big Bad of the N64 games. Not saying he's awful, just that he didn't leave as great an impression as Campaigner and Primagen before him. He's a Lovecraftian, eldritch abomination that wants to consume and destroy everything. And that's... kind of it. I really don't have much to say on the guy.
Tobias Bruckner and Tyrannus - Okay, on paper, a knock-off of George Armstrong Custer with a cyborg arm, riding a Tyrannosaurus Rex loaded with heavily-artillery straight out of Dino Riders, is probably one of the single coolest things a character like Turok could ever fight. Unfortunately, I feel Bruckner is the single worst villian in the whole series. We hardly learn anything about him, he's barely present in the entire game (kills a guy in the intro cutscene, mentioned by Sleg troops once, shows up at final fight), and his boss fight is stupid easy. You could argue that other Turok bosses are guilty of this too, but I feel it hurts Turok: Evolution, with it's focus on being more cinematic than previous titles with loads of cutscenes, "stealth" sections, and a more detailed (yet fractured) narrative.
Tyrannus is mostly in the same boat as Bruckner, although I can't really accuse him of being a bad villian, purely because he was intended to be the main antagonist of a sequel that was sadly never made. He had some decent build-up, and I was totally excited at the prospect of kicking his ass while watching the final cutscene in Evolution.
Roland Kane - For all the faults Turok 2008 had, I felt it's main bad guy was actually pretty solid. He had a more personal connection to this game's Turok than any of the other villians did with their's. He's Joseph's mentor, responsible for making our hero the badass he is, and, ultimately, his own death as a direct result. We only encounter Kane near the end of the game, but the flashbacks scattered throughout do a good job of establishing the relationship between him and Joseph. And while the fight with Kane is just a series of quick-time events, at least it's a cool-looking series of quick time events.
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I think the bad guys in Turok 1 and Turok 2 are the best though. But Turok Evolution has some nice ones to. I think the variety in Turok 2 was the most unique. And the Primagen yeah he is probably the best back story as he just wants to leave this hell hole and if he does it will destroy everything. That's a tough situation and interesting story for a bad guy plus he looks really cool :P Now the campaigner he will always be the bad ass though. But a lot of the non boss enemies are really cool to, of course the raptor is the most notable but there are so many varieties. This is another thing that makes Turok so special and different.
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Nice post there and opinion of them to. I think the Campaigner and the T Rex boss are the best bosses in Turok. But one thing is true it had to be hard to try and make a bigger and stronger boss then the T rex. But I think they pulled it off nicely.
Also, I like Bruckner to. But details on him were cut short. Its like a movie that doesn't show the baddie untill late in the film xD.
And Turok 08 with Kaine, though he is a bad ass he has to be the lamest of them all. I mean he was just a regular man. The trex in Turok 1 would laser his head off in a few minutes hehe.
Adon you are right all of the other enemies and creatures really made Turok superb. The creatures in Evolution are spectacular. Now this leads me to my one problem of Turok 08 the bad guys are like wolfenstein soldiers or something? I miss the magic in Turok not warfare.
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The Campaigner and Primagen are the coolest villians imo. The Campaigner is pretty original and he isn't to over sized but he was tough as they come! But the Trex in Turok 1 is very notable to I agree.
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In 08 Kane was the villain alright but he never stood a chance against Turok. When given the chance Turok destroyed him quite quickly hehe. The boss right after however was pretty awesome in Mama Scarface.
I think this guy is playing on easy hehe either that or he is pretty good at it.
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I wish Turok fed Kaine to mama scarface and that was the end rather then him killing the rex hehe
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I wish Turok fed Kaine to mama scarface and that was the end rather then him killing the rex hehe
Now that is something I would like to see lol CHOMP CHOMP
Mama scarface is most likely the best villain in the game. Kane looks like something out of the new Deus Ex games.
Heheh funny and good comparison and I agree to she is surely the best in this game every time you see this gigantic Rex you get scared :) at least I do ROARRR
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I wish Turok fed Kaine to mama scarface and that was the end rather then him killing the rex hehe
Now that is something I would like to see lol CHOMP CHOMP
I'm imagining Turok shove a grenade into Kane's mouth, then chuck him into Mama Scarface's mouth. Explosive dog treats!
I'm also glad you guys brought up Mama Scarface, can't believe I forgot about her in the first post. She's a very sympathetic villain, more so than Primagen. Hell, she isn't even a villain, she's just an animal doing what animals do, then Turok barges into her nest looking for a radio, kills her babies and slices her eye up. Now she just wants revenge. She gets bonus points for her second fight being pretty much the best boss fight in that game.
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I'm imagining Turok shove a grenade into Kane's mouth, then chuck him into Mama Scarface's mouth. Explosive dog treats!
Lol that I can imagine xD Mama Scarface would still be walking after it to, making Kaine feel unimportant again :P
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We need some Mama Scarface memes lol
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Hello everyone. I am new to the forums and glad that I found a community of Turok fans.
As for my opinions...
The Campaigner: This guy is just badass; a tyrannical cyborg warlord who leads a huge army of bionic dinosaurs, aliens, combat robots, demonic tribes men, and mutant green gorillas, and greets the player with one of the most awesome villainous laughs ever put in a videogame. He is a Turok classic in my eye.
Thunder: Essentially what would happen if InGen and Skynet forged a unholy alliance. One of my favorite Turok boss fights, despite it being a little easy.
The Primagen: Another excellent villain and definitely the deepest one in terms of 'reasons'. I love the design; a tall, lanky, and intimidating alien with bat wings and wielding strange telekinetic-like powers. I really like how the Primagen gives the aura of being part of a "superior" or god-like race from ancient times. The fight was also pretty damn great.
Oblivion: My favorite villain of the Turok games. I love how Oblivion gives that Lovecraftian vibe of it being a interdimensional god which in appearance is nothing short of a abomination. I just love it's design, so badass and creepy at the same time. Such a shame that the fight is pretty easy and short.
Bruckner: The problem I have with him is that he is not developed much; you just see him in the beginning, then you hear some rumors, then you see him again after finishing chapter 4, then you hear some more rumors about him, and then you fight him while he is riding a T-rex. There just not much to him but at least you fight a T-rex armed with firepower at the end.
Tyrannus: It's such a shame that Turok Evolution 2 was never made, because I wanted to see more of this guy and his army. The Slegs are such a great concept in terms of a villainous organization for a Turok game, a collective of different lizard and saurian species united under the banner of a Tyrannical anthropomorphic T-rex, who wields unknown powers and wants to kill all humans. Such potential that was never realized.
Kane: He is all right. The relationship that he and Turok have is a interesting one, and I particularly liked their conversation at the end where Kane identifies himself as a soldier and Turok identifies himself as a warrior. But he is also pretty forgettable really.
Mama Scarface: One of the best Turok villains, as well as having a pretty awesome boss fights and a very well made buildup throughout the whole game. This is one of the very few things that Turok (2008) did right.
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Those are good descriptions and thoughts on the villians there
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The Campaigner: The diabolical evil laughing cyborg villain who has an amplifying weapon (obviously for the Chronoscepter) pointed towards the sky like a true evil mastermind! xD Reading the story about him gives me more of an idea of who he was and what he wanted.
Thunder: Because he's The Campaigner's pet Tyrannosaurus Rex with a Stegosaurus tail, eye lasers and dragon's breath.
The Longhunter: It's interesting to know why he's aligned with The Campaigner. Obviously, The Campaigner could give him what he wanted in exchange. You'd wonder if The Campaigner was using him like the Primagen did with the Purr-Linn, by plotting to end them once their service was no longer useful. Then, Longhunter may have already been apart of Campaigner's army. To me, Longhunter seems more like a hired hand.
The Primagen: His story is also one of the most interesting. I remember reading that his ship entering some netherscape and created The Lost Land, right?
Oblivion: Until I played T3, I wasn't aware that all those evil voices were just his. I always thought it was random Flesh Eaters talking. I was a little disappointed at the boss battle, but he was still an interesting character. I liked the mystery that surrounded him and his ilk in SoE.
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These are pretty much some of the only ones I know so far. I haven't played the other games. I'd like to play Evolution.
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The Longhunter: It's interesting to know why he's aligned with The Campaigner. Obviously, The Campaigner could give him what he wanted in exchange. You'd wonder if The Campaigner was using him like the Primagen did with the Purr-Linn, by plotting to end them once their service was no longer useful. Then, Longhunter may have already been apart of Campaigner's army. To me, Longhunter seems more like a hired hand.
Longhunter (Israel Crockett), like Campaigner, was another villian from the Valiant comics. They never worked together (hell, Longhunter didn't even get to Lost Land until after Campaigner was defeated). Longhunter had the most appearances out of Turok's rogues gallery, pretty much taking the role of Turok's nemesis.
In the game, there probably isn't really any reason why Longhunter serves Campaigner; like the Bionosaurs he's just another cool character adapted from the comics. Though if you want to head-canon it, you could say this version of Longhunter and Tal'set share the same relationship as their Valiant comic counterparts, and Longhunter took the job just for a chance to kill the Turok.
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Its weird that in the comics, the campaigner wasnt nearly as epic as what you find ingame. He doesnt even reapper as far as i know.
I was surprised Mon-Ark was the most recurring villian of the Valiant series, yet ingame is nothing more than a generic enemy.
The primagen has that baby E.T. face which doesnt strike me as menacing, tough i sure love seeing the bad ending where he loses half of his head (yet the legit ending is so goddam tame)
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Its weird that in the comics, the campaigner wasnt nearly as epic as what you find ingame. He doesnt even reapper as far as i know.
VH1 Campaigner is pretty badass, actually. He beats the crap out of Turok, who probably would've lost the fight without Seer cheapshotting the Campaigner from behind with magic. He shows up later in Dinosaur Hunter #36, as part of a nightmare where Turok is assaulted by all of his villains one by one.
I was surprised Mon-Ark was the most recurring villain of the Valiant series, yet ingame is nothing more than a generic enemy.
He's not in the game unfortunately, those are just generic unnamed Bionosaurs. But there's an idea for a mod: Mon-Ark bossfight!
Most recurring villain award goes to Longhunter.
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Yeah, in the comic campy was good, but I wish there was more of him going cyborg and turok using the chronosceptor on him. There seems to be a comic where that happens but I cant find it.
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But there's an idea for a mod: Mon-Ark bossfight!
That would just be completely bad ass. But would take several different angles of modding including the model itself. And someone could just use the Dimetrodon's or Trex Bosses skin textures so it can match the game. But that would be really cool new enemies that are more defined from the comics.